Richard Waite bit and pieces from internet

Richard Waite ships/census bits

Search continues for Richard Waite connections in the Waite English Northamptonshire Clan

See below: New England connection with Ann Armstrong in Bristol, who has tracked Waitt in Braunston back to 1700's.

Found DNA Match with Waitegenealogy.org and familytreedna.com - Zane Grey Waite dna link.
 
Zane Waite GED lineage http://www.waitegenealogy.org/DNA/10892.pdf
Mary Taylor from England aids in the search within Church Records for Richard  Waite and Charlotte

Marriage Richard Waite and Charlotte Scott 1801 in the Parish of Wolverton (or Woolverton)* England

Bans of Marriage between Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor
& Charlotte Scott of this Parish spinster were published 5th, 12th and
19th of April 1801.  The said Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor & ye said
Charlotte Scott of this parish spinster were maried by Banns 12 May 1801
Richard Wait made his mark, Charlotte signed Witnesses John Smith, Mary Waite, and another I couldn't read.
highly likely that this is Wolverton, Bucks

HISTORY of LE ROY, NY
FROM OUR COUNTY AND ITS PEOPLE
A DESCRIPTIVE AND BIOGRAPHICAL RECORD OF
GENESEE COUNTY
NEW YORK
EDITED BY SAFFORF E. NORTH
THE BOSTON HISTORY COMPANY, PUBLISHERS 1899

 


Le Roy is the most easterly town in Genesee county, and is second in importance to Batavia only. It is bounded on the north by Byron and Bergen, and by Riga, Monroe county, on the east by Wheatland, Monroe county, and Caledonia, Livingston county; on the south by Caledonia and Pavilion, and on the west by Stafford and Bergen. The surface of the town for the most part is undulating, though level in many places. The southern part contains a few low hills. The Oatka creek enters the town at its southwest corner, flows in a northerly direction through the village of Le Roy, and about two miles north of that village turns and pursues a southeasterly course until it leaves the town. It furnishes splendid water power at Le Roy and elsewhere. The first grist mill in Genesee county was erected on this stream at Le Roy by Captain John Ganson. Buttermilk Falls, in the Oatka, are a short distance north of Le Roy. Mud creek flows northeast through the southeast section of the town. Neither has any tributaries of importance. Three railroads traverse the town, all passing through Le Roy village. The Erie and the New York Central and Hudson River Railroad (Canandaigua branch) pass east and west south of the centre. The Buffalo, Rochester and Pittsburg Railway runs parallel with the first two roads mentioned from the east limits of the town to Le Roy village, and there turns and proceeds in a southerly direction into Pa. vilion. A dozen salt wells are located in the town, and since their discovery the salt industry has been the most important, from most stand. points, of any in Le Roy.

The first settlement in town was made in 1793 by Charles Wilbur, who erected a log tavern on the site of Le Ray village, In 1797 Captain John Ganson immigrated to this point, purchased Wilbur's tavern, and soon afterward built a mill there. Soon afterward Deacon Hinds Chamberlin moved to a farm near by. Both lived in the eastern part of the present village. Others who came about this time were Chapman Hawley, Gilbert Half, Jesse Beach, Philip Beach, and Samuel Davis' who also opened a tavern east of the village. - General Daniel Davis, who located in town in 1801, was also an early tavern keeper. He was a brigadier-general in the War of 1812, and was killed in the sortie before Fort Erie. Asa Buell, a Revolutionary soldier, was another primitive settler. Jeremiah Hascall, who came in 1805, was a justice of the peace when all the territory in the State west of the Genesee river was embraced in his jurisdiction. James Austin, Nathan Harvey,
Richard Waite, Stephen Stillwell and the Parmalee family were also pioneers.

The first school house in the town was built in 1801. In it the first school was taught in 1802 by Luseba Scott. Dr. William Coe was the first physician, and Dudley Saltonstall the first to practice law. The first bridge, built on the site of the present Main street bridge over the Oatka, was constructed in 1801, and cost four hundred dollars The first church services, Protestant Episcopal, began in 1802; but the first church to be regularly organized was the Presbyterian church of Le Roy, founded February 7, 1812.

The town of Le Roy was erected from Caledonia, Livingston county, June 8, 1812, and. called Bellona. Its name was afterward changed to Le Roy in honor of Herman Le Roy, a New York city merchant who was one of the original purchasers of the "Triangle Tract." This tract was surveyed in 1801 by Richard M. Stoddard,who subsequently became the local agent for its sale. A part of Stafford was taken from Le Roy in 1820, and a part of Pavilion in 1842. Le Roy originally formed a part of the great township of Northampton, which embraced all the territory west of the Genesee river. The first town meeting of Northampton was held at Caledonia (originally known as Big Springs) April 4, 1797. Gad Wadsworth presided. Josiah Fish was elected supervisor, Eli Granger town clerk, Peter Shaefer road commissioner and poormaster, Isaac Scott fence-viewer. Hinds Chamberlin, constable.

Upon the erection of the county of Genesee the present territory of Le Roy became a part of the town of Southampton, erected from a part of the original town of Northampton. The first meeting of the newly formed township was held in March, 1802, when Christopher Layburn was chosen supervisor. Early justices of the peace included James Ganson, John Ganson, Ezra Platt, Richard M. Stoddard, Joseph Hewitt, Amos Hall, Robert Nesbitt, Samuel Davis, Jeremiah Hascall, S. Bates, Asher Bates, J. Fox, G. H. Fox, David Davis.

Following is a complete list of the supervisors of Le Roy from the year of the first town meeting to the present time:

1813, William Sheldon; 1814-1815, David L. Barron; 1816, E. Smith; 1817, Thomas Tufts; 1818-1819, William Sheldon; 1820-1822, Thaddeus Joy; 1823, Willis Buell; 1824, Daniel L. Barron; 1825, Harry Backus; 1826-1827. - Yates; 1828, John Hascall; 1829-1830, Seth M. Yates; 1831-1835, Dennis Blakeley; 1836-1839, John Tomlinson; 1840-1841, Knowlton Rich; 1842-1846. Elijah Platt; 1847-1848, Abiel Robertson; 1849-1852, William Morgan; 1853. John G. Bixby; 1854. John Tomlinson; 1855-1856. John J. McPherson; 1857-1858, Dr. David C. Chamberlin; 1859-1860, A. P. Hascall; 1861-1862, Walter G. Gustin; 1863. John H Lent (died in office); 1863- 1864, Abiel Robertson; 1865-1868, Walter G. Gustin; 1869, Richard L. Selden, W. Le Roy Bishop; 1870, Samuel Gillett; 1871, W. Le Roy Bishop; 1872, William S. Brown.; 1873, Samuel Gillett; 1874, Walter G. Gustin; 1875, Samuel Gillett; 1876, Richard L Selden; 1877. Samuel Gillett: 1878-1879. Walter G. Gustin; 1880, Samuel Gillett; 1881-1886, Richard L. Selden; 1887-1891, Melvin D. Pratt; 1892-1893, George F. Lowe; 1894,-1897, Dwight H. Pierson; 1898, Clarence Bryant.

The town clerb during this period have been as follows:
1813-1815, Thomas Tufts; 1815-1817, Heman J. Redfield; 1818-1820, Willis Buell. 1821, M. Gates; 1822-1823, Timothy Fitch; 1824-1825, M. Gates; 1826, Augustus P. Hascall; 1827-1878, John H. Stanley; 1879, James B. Gillett; 1880-1891, Samuel F. Comstock; 1892-1893, H H. Falkner; 1894-1895, Edwin M. Harmon; 1896-1897, H. H. Falkner; 1898, Edwin M. Harmon.

The records in the office of the town clerk begin with the year 1879, the earlier records having been lost or destroyed. Since that time the following have been elected justices of the peace:

1879, Chandler Ganson; 1880, Walter G. Gustin; 1881, William S Coe; 1882, Angus L. Tompkins; 1883, Thomas P. Heddon; 1884, Charles S. Simons; 1885, William L. Martin; 1886, Angus L. Tompkins; 1887, Sephrine D. Gilbert; 1888, David Jackson Bissell: 1889; William R. Crofoot; 1890, Stephen F. Curtis; 1891, S. D. Gilbert; 1892, Albert A. Parmelee; 1893, W. R. Crofoot; 1894, Melvin D. Pratt; 1895, S. D.Gilbert; 1896, A. A. Parmelee; 1897, W. R. Crofoot;' 1898, M. D. Pratt.

Le Roy village is located southeast of the center of the town, on the Oatka creek, which furnishes a fine water power at this point. The original purchasers of the tract on which the village is located were Richard M. Stoddard and Dudley Saltonstall, who bought it from Le Roy, Bayard and McEvers. Ezra Platt subsequently purchased Salton stall's interest. Stoddard and Platt built a log house on the bank of Allen's creek in 1801 and opened a land office In the same year they erected mills at Buttermilk Falls. In 1810 a stone building was built on the west bank of the creek, near the bridge, for merchandising purposes exclusively, and occupied by George A. Tiffany. The first school in the village was taught by Mrs. Wolcott in 1804. The first church, Presbyterian, was founded in 1812.

The village was incorporated by the Legislature in May, 1834. The first corporation meeting was held July 3, 1834, at the house of Theodore Dwight. Hinds Chamberlin presided. As the number of persons in attendance was deemed insufficient for the transaction of business, the meeting adjourned to July 12, at the same place. At this meeting Joshua Lathrop, John Lent, Rufus Robertson, Theodore Dwight and Dennis Blakeley were elected the first trustees; Seth M. Gates, clerk; Heman J. Redfield, treasurer; Jacob Newman, Lewis M. Gates, Chester Barrow, assessors; Stephen Olrnsted, collector; Hollis Pratt, police constable; Miles P. Lampson, Howard Bosworth, John Jackson, Olonzo Montcalm and Horatio N. Stanley, fire wardens. Since that date these persons have served as presidents of the village:
1834-1835, Joshua Lathrop; 1836, Lewis M. Gates; 1837-1838, Charles Danforth; 1839-1840, no name given; 1841, H. H. Carpenter; 1842, John P. Mitchell; 1843-1844, Miles P. Lampson; 1845, John P. Mitchell; 1846, Elisha Stanley; 1847-1848, Joshua Lathrop; 1849, Miles P. Lampson; 1850, John W. Shedd; 1851, David Jackson; 1852- 1854, John H. Stanley; 1855-1860, Augustus P. Hascall; 1861-1863, John H. Stanley; 1864-1868, J. J. J. Tompkins; 1869, Chauncey L. Olmstead; 1870-1872, Charles Morgan; 1873, A. S. Tryon; 1874, William Huyck; 1875, R. A. Augur; 1876, Horace E. Walker; 1877-1878, Daniel D. McLachlen; 1879, James Allison; 1880,William Lampson; 1881, Horace E. Walker; 1882, Dennis Scanlon: 1883, Horace E. Walker; 1884- 1886, A. E. Miller; 1887-1888, George M. Have; 1889-1890, Thomas B. Tuttle; 1891- 1892, Stephen Loucks; 1893, Reuben Glass ; 1894, Stephen Loucks; 1895-1896, Edward Rogerson; 1897-1898, Lucius T. Williams.

The village clerks have been:
1835, Rufus Robertson; 1836, Perrin M. Smith; 1887-1851, John H. Stanley; 1852, Abraham D. Lampkins; 1853, Jesse E. Carpenter; 1854, Russell L. Samson; 1855- 1858, Owen Bryan; 1859-1860, Samuel T. Howard; 1861, Adam S. Pratt; 1862-1863, Samuel F. Comstock; 1864, John B. Candy; 1865, W. H. Anderson; 1866-1867, Frank W. Adams; 1868, Samuel F. Comstock; 1869, Frank W. Forman; 1870, William Hooker; 1871, Theodore F. Hascall; 1872, James Karsiake; 1873, William Howard Olmsted; 1874, 3. Fred Kochler; 1875, John Wiss; 1876-1884, Angus L. Tompkins; 1885, Samuel F. Comstock; 1886, Sephrine D. Gilbert; 1887, William R. Crofoot; 1888-1890, S. D. Gilbert; 1891-1893, W. R. Crofoot; 1894-1895, S. D. Gilbert; 1896- 1898, W. R. Crofoot'; 1898, William H. Foster.

Le Roy ranks as the second village in Genesee county in point of population, wealth and the number and importance of its industries. First and most important among its industrial elements is the great plant of the Le Roy Salt Company. There are also in the village three flouring mills, a mammoth cold storage warehouse, reputed to be next to the largest in the entire United States, a second produce warehouse, a grain elevator, three large malt houses, all under one management, an iron foundry, two grist mills, two wagon shops, two broom factories, a machine shop and foundry combined, a planing mill, five proprietary medicine manufactories, and extensive stone quarries located near the village. There are also seven churches-Presbyterian, Protestant Episcopal, Baptist, Methodist Episcopal, Catholic, German Evangelical Lutheran and Universalist; an excellent union free school system, two banks, two principal hotels2 and several smaller ones, two weekly newspapers-the Le Roy Gazette and the Genesee Courier; a Masonic lodge and other secret and social organizations, a gas company, an electric light plant, now owned by the village; an excellent system of water works, a first class fire department, with one chemical engine, one hook and ladder truck and one hose cart; a large number of stores and shops and well paved streets. The Canandaigua branch of the New York Central & Hudson River Railroad, the Erie Railroad and the Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburg Railway pass through the northern part of the village, each having a separate depot.. The village was formerly the seat of Ingham University, whose buildings are still standing, and of the Le Roy Academic Institute, whose building is now occupied by the Le Roy High School.

Three miles north of Le Roy village, at a point known as Fort Hill, is the ruin of an ancient Indian fort, occupying a high bank bounded by Fordham's brook and Allen's creek, which effect a junction at this point. This fortification is about thirteen hundred feet from north to south, and two thousand feet across its broadest part, narrowing to one thousand feet at its neck, which connects it with the general table-land. There is a trace of an embankment and ditch about fifteen hundred feet long across the broad part, east and west. Skeletons, pottery, pipes, beads, arrow and spear heads were formerly found here. Nothing definite is known as to the builders of these works, whether the Senecas or another tribe before them.
 

 

 

 

From: "Rob Forrest" < rforrest@robforrest.com>
Subject: [NYGENESE] Richard WAITE
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:50:58 -0800


I am looking for descendants of Richard WAITE and Lucy GRISWOLD
I know that there sons Richard and James were both in Le Roy Richard first
then James moved there from VT in 1811 as that is when he sold his land in VT
and purchased his land in Le Roy also a son-in-law Marshfield PARSONS as well
as Giles BISHOP were also there in the 1830's and 40's as well a possibly
others of this family. I would like any information on them as I can find I
know that Richard had the two sons Rev. Richard L and Daniel D. would like
info on any of these I have looked at the 1860 partial census for Genesee Co.
and have coppied down all of the WAITE's and have found connections with this
line of WAITE's for almost all of them. some back the Richard first mentioned
above's grandfather Thomas WAITE. I think that they were all connected to
this WAITE family some way or another. would like info on Danial D WAITE as
he was in Batavia and this is not posted to the web yet from the 1860 census.
Also husbands for the daughters of Richard WAITE that came to Le Roy in abt
1802 according to info on the Genesee Co GenWeb Site.
Robin Forrest
rforrest@robforrest.com
NEW SITE URL for Robin's Genealogy Page is http://www.robforrest.com
<a href="http://www.robforrest.com">New Page URL</a>
 

 

Waitegenealogy.org and familytreedna.com - Zane Grey Waite dna link. Zane Waite GED lineage http://www.waitegenealogy.org/DNA/10892.pdf


Hello Ralph,

I did go to the Record Office and checked the original PR for the marriege
- and promptly came down with 'flu! From which I am still recovering.

The marriage entry was as follows:

Bans of Marriage between Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor
& Charlotte Scott of this Parish spinster were published 5th, 12th and
19th of April 1801

The said Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor & ye said
Charlotte Scott of this parish spinster were maried by Banns 12 May 1801
Richard Wait made his mark, Charlotte signed
Witnesses John Smith, Mary Waite, and another I couldn't read.

So no county, so highly likely that this is Wolverton, Bucks, not
Woolverton, Somerset.

Mary Taylor in the UK


Towcester Look-ups http://www.kellner.eclipse.co.uk/genuki/NTH/Towcester/
Towcester Families
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~towcesterfamilies

> Will we be able to learn more about this Richard Waite?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mary Taylor" <marytaylor@taylorbandm.plus.com>
> To: <ralphwaite@dexnow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Wolverton vs Woolverton
>
>
>> This is where it may be worth checking the original. In Potterspury,
>> Wolverton was local, and may have been dignified with "Bucks" after it,
>> or
>> possibly nothing at all.
>>
>> If it was Woolverton in Somerset, this would have been exotic, and the
>> fact that it was in Somerset clearly marked.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> Towcester Look-ups
>> http://www.kellner.eclipse.co.uk/genuki/NTH/Towcester/
>> Towcester Families
>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~towcesterfamilies
>>
>>> The name makes a difference for Richard travel
>>> in My Google map search I see Woolverton is 108 miles from Towchester.
>>> Wolverton is 10 miles - close
>>>
 


The search for Richard and Charlotte Waite
who married in the Paulerspury Baptist Church in 1801.

Weston by Weedon Baptist Chapel was the mother church of Towcester Baptist
Chapel. The pastor at Weston used to preach in Towcester occasionally -
until he fell off his horse. Shortly after, the Baptists in Towcester
(about a dozen of them) decided to form their own church, and call their
own pastor.

Although there were Baptist Colleges at this date, they were very few, and
most Baptist pastors had no formal training.

One of Towcester's early pastors was called to the ministry in this way.
John Barker came from the Baptist Church at Walgrave in Northamptonshire.
From the Church Book of Walgrave Baptist Church:
1796 1 Dec At the Church Meeting this evening Br. Stephen Cox began in
prayer, sung a hymn, Br Timy Smith prayed, sung again and then in a humble
manner Br Stephen Barker spoke from Ps 90 v12. He took up two ideas and
made some pertinent remarks much to the satisfaction of all that heard
him. This was a pleasing and profitable session and we could not but bless
God for the appearance of acceptable gifts in one of our youngest members.
1796 29 Dec Br. John Barker and Br. Denton prayed. Br Stephen Barker spoke
from Habakkuk 2 v 3 - pertinent and much for edification.
1797 12 Jan Br. John Barker delivered some acceptable ideas from James 5 v
16. It was a pleasing and profitable season.
1797 Feb 16 Br John Barker delivered an acceptable sermon from Matt 22 v 42
1797 Mar 30 A letter was read from the church at Moulton asking leave of
us for our Brethern John and Stephen Barker to go and preach to them.
Leave was given.
1797 Apr 7 Our Brethern John and Stephen Barker delivered a short but
satisfactory account of their views of the Ministry; their leading motives
for their engaging them; their consciousness of inability and each
concluded with desiring the prayers of the Church for steadfastness in
their faith and practice and success in their work.
1797 Dec19 Our Br. Stephen Barker returned from Henley-in-Arden Warks
where he had spent one month by the invitation of that Church. In a
letter, they said they found him acceptable, and wished  his return after
his brother John Barker had supplied them for four Sabbaths
1797 Dec28 Br. Stephen Barker was encouraged to accept the invitation from
Henley.
1798 Brother Barker set out for Henley on 16th January, after a service on
the 15th.
1798 The church prayed for Stephen Cox, as he was also entering the ministry.

1802 May 20 Our Brother Barker lately dismissed to the Church at Towcester
was ordained to the pastoral office over them. The congregation upon the
occassion was very large and much seriousness and attention was
discovered. A. Payne [Pastor at Walgrave, and Elizabeth's father] was 1797
Dec19 Our Br. Stephen Barker returned from Henley-in-Arden Warks where he
had spent one month by the invitation of that Church. In a letter, they
said they found him acceptable, and wished  his return after his brother
John Barker had supplied them for four Sabbaths
1797 Dec28 Br. Stephen Barker was encouraged to accept the invitation from
Henley.
1798 Brother Barker set out for Henley on 16th January, after a service on
the 15th.
1798 The church prayed for Stephen Cox, as he was also entering the ministry.
1802 May 20 Our Brother Barker lately dismissed to the Church at Towcester
was ordained to the pastoral office over them. The congregation upon the
occassion was very large and much seriousness and attention was
discovered.

I should mention that what these days is called "induction" into a church
was at this date called "ordination". They were ordained to the ministry in
a particular church, not to "the ministry" as a whole. John Barker stayed
at Towcester until his death. Another early member of Towcester Baptist
Church, Richard Lowe, also became a minister via this route.

So, no formal training, but rather a sense of calling backed up by a
testing of relevant gifts for the ministry. William Carey from
Paulerspury, who was the first missionary to India, also had no formal
training, but taught himself Latin, Greek and Hebrew with whatever local
help he could find. Freedom of worship was only granted in England in
1689, so we are talking about a time of only 100 years since being a
Baptist was actually illegal.

Woolverton will be Wolverton - spelling was not their strong point! No
compulsory education results in some weird and wonderful spellings.
Towcester itself (pronounced "Toaster") is also spelt Toster, Towster,
Tocester, Tossiter and many more ways.

The nearest chapel to Wolverton would be Stony Stratford Baptist Church.
This was started before the 1689 Act of Toleration, so the members
occasionally had to escape from the chapel before it was raided! However,
there is no guarantee that Richard was a Baptist much before he was
married. He may alternatively have been Church of England or even
Independent. All I can say with some certainty is that his birth is not
recorded either at Towcester (any church) or at Potterspury Independent
Church. The early Stony Stratford Baptist registers do not appear to have
survived. He may well have been baptised in an Anglican church, however.
And Richard may only have been working in Wolverton, rather than having
started life there. It would be helpful if you could try to locate his
death / burial in Lorraine (?possibly) and ascertain an approximate age
for him. Without that, extensive work to make sure all possible Richards
are found, and eliminated may be necessary - there seem to be all too many
of them round here.

I am very much aware that you are not only trying to research in a foreign
country, but across 200 years and in a totally different church culture
(at that date, it is pretty foreign to us to!). So while I am trying to
explain as simply as I can, it may not be simple enough. So come back if
there's anything you don't understand.

Mary
 

You introduced new facts:
> Woolverton (assume not wolverton) Buckinghamshire.as a living place for
> Richard Wait
> Weston for a Baptist chapel - but relationship not defined
> Scott name for Charlotte Born Dec 21 1775
> John and Mary Scott as her parents
> Richard and Charlotte marriage date 1801 12-May Paulerspury
> Paulerspury Baptist church began 1784.
>
> The attached obit in 1892 of his son John Waite indicates his father was a
> Baptist minister.
> The open question is what was the way for Richard from Woolverton to become
> a minister within this UK background.
> How can we get more records for Richard, birth and more.
 

information from Mary Taylor" <marytaylor@taylorbandm.plus.com>

These are from the records of Towcester Baptist Church. Towcester Baptist
> Church was only started in 1784, and being a Baptist was no easy thing at
> that date. They were viewed with suspicion, and discriminated against.
> During the time Richard and Charlotte were having children, there was a
> minister called John Barker resident in Towcester, and it is obvious that
> people travelled a long way to services. Before the Towcester congregation
> started, Towcester people were members at Weston Baptist Chapel, which was
> miles away.
 

In the Northants Marriage index, I have:
>
> Richd WAIT of Woolverton Charlotte  SCOTT 1801 12-May Paulerspury
>
> The Baptist register does have several children for a John & Mary Scott of
> Paulerspury, and adherence to the Baptist cause had a tendency to run in
> families. Charlotte Scott's birth is recorded in the register:
> Charlot Scott d John & Mary Scott Paulerspury Northants Born Dec 21 1775
>
> Wolverton is over the county border in Buckinghamshire.
 

Richard Wait from Woolverton to Weston Baptist Chapel 11 miles 25 min today

If Baptist people from Towcester came to the Westin Baptist Chapel to attend church it is easy to see that Richard could meet Charlotte (born 1775) in in this situation.

As the Paulespury Baptist church in 1784 came into being it she would have been 9 years old and it would be natural for Richard to move/visit Paulerspury to be near her and for their marriage when she was 26 in 1801. He also may have been a minister in training.

When he came to the US as a minister it is not clear if she survived and came with him to Lorraine NY

Wolverton to Towcester was close 10 miles


the Record Office and checked the original PR for the marriege.

 The marriage entry was as follows:

Bans of Marriage between Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor
& Charlotte Scott of this Parish spinster were published 5th, 12th and
19th of April 1801

The said Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor & ye said
Charlotte Scott of this parish spinster were maried by Banns 12 May 1801
Richard Wait made his mark, Charlotte signed
Witnesses John Smith, Mary Waite, and another I couldn't read.

So no county, so highly likely that this is Wolverton, Bucks, not
Woolverton, Somerset.

Mary Taylor

Towcester Look-ups http://www.kellner.eclipse.co.uk/genuki/NTH/Towcester/
Towcester Families
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~towcesterfamilies

>
>
>> This is where it may be worth checking the original. In Potterspury,
>> Wolverton was local, and may have been dignified with "Bucks" after it,
>> or
>> possibly nothing at all.
>>
>> If it was Woolverton in Somerset, this would have been exotic, and the
>> fact that it was in Somerset clearly marked.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> Towcester Look-ups
>> http://www.kellner.eclipse.co.uk/genuki/NTH/Towcester/
>> Towcester Families
>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~towcesterfamilies
 

from Towchester. Wolverton is 10 miles - close
 

Woolverton to Towcester Paulerspury Baptist Church was 108 miles or 2 hr 24 min today

 

Waitegenealogy.org and familytreedna.com - Zane Grey Waite dna link.
Zane Waite GED lineage http://www.waitegenealogy.org/DNA/10892.pdf


Mary Taylor from England aids in the search within Church Records for Richard  Waite and Charlotte

Hello Ralph,

I did go to the Record Office and checked the original PR for the marriege
- and promptly came down with 'flu! From which I am still recovering.

The marriage entry was as follows:

Bans of Marriage between Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor
& Charlotte Scott of this Parish spinster were published 5th, 12th and
19th of April 1801

The said Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor & ye said
Charlotte Scott of this parish spinster were maried by Banns 12 May 1801
Richard Wait made his mark, Charlotte signed
Witnesses John Smith, Mary Waite, and another I couldn't read.

So no county, so highly likely that this is Wolverton, Bucks, not
Woolverton, Somerset.

Mary Taylor in the UK


Towcester Look-ups http://www.kellner.eclipse.co.uk/genuki/NTH/Towcester/
Towcester Families
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~towcesterfamilies

> Will we be able to learn more about this Richard Waite?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mary Taylor" <marytaylor@taylorbandm.plus.com>
> To: <ralphwaite@dexnow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Wolverton vs Woolverton
>
>
>> This is where it may be worth checking the original. In Potterspury,
>> Wolverton was local, and may have been dignified with "Bucks" after it,
>> or
>> possibly nothing at all.
>>
>> If it was Woolverton in Somerset, this would have been exotic, and the
>> fact that it was in Somerset clearly marked.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> Towcester Look-ups
>> http://www.kellner.eclipse.co.uk/genuki/NTH/Towcester/
>> Towcester Families
>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~towcesterfamilies
>>
>>> The name makes a difference for Richard travel
>>> in My Google map search I see Woolverton is 108 miles from Towchester.
>>> Wolverton is 10 miles - close
>>>
 


The search for Richard and Charlotte Waite
who married in the Paulerspury Baptist Church in 1801.

Weston by Weedon Baptist Chapel was the mother church of Towcester Baptist
Chapel. The pastor at Weston used to preach in Towcester occasionally -
until he fell off his horse. Shortly after, the Baptists in Towcester
(about a dozen of them) decided to form their own church, and call their
own pastor.

Although there were Baptist Colleges at this date, they were very few, and
most Baptist pastors had no formal training.

One of Towcester's early pastors was called to the ministry in this way.
John Barker came from the Baptist Church at Walgrave in Northamptonshire.
From the Church Book of Walgrave Baptist Church:
1796 1 Dec At the Church Meeting this evening Br. Stephen Cox began in
prayer, sung a hymn, Br Timy Smith prayed, sung again and then in a humble
manner Br Stephen Barker spoke from Ps 90 v12. He took up two ideas and
made some pertinent remarks much to the satisfaction of all that heard
him. This was a pleasing and profitable session and we could not but bless
God for the appearance of acceptable gifts in one of our youngest members.
1796 29 Dec Br. John Barker and Br. Denton prayed. Br Stephen Barker spoke
from Habakkuk 2 v 3 - pertinent and much for edification.
1797 12 Jan Br. John Barker delivered some acceptable ideas from James 5 v
16. It was a pleasing and profitable season.
1797 Feb 16 Br John Barker delivered an acceptable sermon from Matt 22 v 42
1797 Mar 30 A letter was read from the church at Moulton asking leave of
us for our Brethern John and Stephen Barker to go and preach to them.
Leave was given.
1797 Apr 7 Our Brethern John and Stephen Barker delivered a short but
satisfactory account of their views of the Ministry; their leading motives
for their engaging them; their consciousness of inability and each
concluded with desiring the prayers of the Church for steadfastness in
their faith and practice and success in their work.
1797 Dec19 Our Br. Stephen Barker returned from Henley-in-Arden Warks
where he had spent one month by the invitation of that Church. In a
letter, they said they found him acceptable, and wished  his return after
his brother John Barker had supplied them for four Sabbaths
1797 Dec28 Br. Stephen Barker was encouraged to accept the invitation from
Henley.
1798 Brother Barker set out for Henley on 16th January, after a service on
the 15th.
1798 The church prayed for Stephen Cox, as he was also entering the ministry.

1802 May 20 Our Brother Barker lately dismissed to the Church at Towcester
was ordained to the pastoral office over them. The congregation upon the
occassion was very large and much seriousness and attention was
discovered. A. Payne [Pastor at Walgrave, and Elizabeth's father] was 1797
Dec19 Our Br. Stephen Barker returned from Henley-in-Arden Warks where he
had spent one month by the invitation of that Church. In a letter, they
said they found him acceptable, and wished  his return after his brother
John Barker had supplied them for four Sabbaths
1797 Dec28 Br. Stephen Barker was encouraged to accept the invitation from
Henley.
1798 Brother Barker set out for Henley on 16th January, after a service on
the 15th.
1798 The church prayed for Stephen Cox, as he was also entering the ministry.
1802 May 20 Our Brother Barker lately dismissed to the Church at Towcester
was ordained to the pastoral office over them. The congregation upon the
occassion was very large and much seriousness and attention was
discovered.

I should mention that what these days is called "induction" into a church
was at this date called "ordination". They were ordained to the ministry in
a particular church, not to "the ministry" as a whole. John Barker stayed
at Towcester until his death. Another early member of Towcester Baptist
Church, Richard Lowe, also became a minister via this route.

So, no formal training, but rather a sense of calling backed up by a
testing of relevant gifts for the ministry. William Carey from
Paulerspury, who was the first missionary to India, also had no formal
training, but taught himself Latin, Greek and Hebrew with whatever local
help he could find. Freedom of worship was only granted in England in
1689, so we are talking about a time of only 100 years since being a
Baptist was actually illegal.

Woolverton will be Wolverton - spelling was not their strong point! No
compulsory education results in some weird and wonderful spellings.
Towcester itself (pronounced "Toaster") is also spelt Toster, Towster,
Tocester, Tossiter and many more ways.

The nearest chapel to Wolverton would be Stony Stratford Baptist Church.
This was started before the 1689 Act of Toleration, so the members
occasionally had to escape from the chapel before it was raided! However,
there is no guarantee that Richard was a Baptist much before he was
married. He may alternatively have been Church of England or even
Independent. All I can say with some certainty is that his birth is not
recorded either at Towcester (any church) or at Potterspury Independent
Church. The early Stony Stratford Baptist registers do not appear to have
survived. He may well have been baptised in an Anglican church, however.
And Richard may only have been working in Wolverton, rather than having
started life there. It would be helpful if you could try to locate his
death / burial in Lorraine (?possibly) and ascertain an approximate age
for him. Without that, extensive work to make sure all possible Richards
are found, and eliminated may be necessary - there seem to be all too many
of them round here.

I am very much aware that you are not only trying to research in a foreign
country, but across 200 years and in a totally different church culture
(at that date, it is pretty foreign to us to!). So while I am trying to
explain as simply as I can, it may not be simple enough. So come back if
there's anything you don't understand.

Mary
 

You introduced new facts:
> Woolverton (assume not wolverton) Buckinghamshire.as a living place for
> Richard Wait
> Weston for a Baptist chapel - but relationship not defined
> Scott name for Charlotte Born Dec 21 1775
> John and Mary Scott as her parents
> Richard and Charlotte marriage date 1801 12-May Paulerspury
> Paulerspury Baptist church began 1784.
>
> The attached obit in 1892 of his son John Waite indicates his father was a
> Baptist minister.
> The open question is what was the way for Richard from Woolverton to become
> a minister within this UK background.
> How can we get more records for Richard, birth and more.
 

information from Mary Taylor" <marytaylor@taylorbandm.plus.com>

These are from the records of Towcester Baptist Church. Towcester Baptist
> Church was only started in 1784, and being a Baptist was no easy thing at
> that date. They were viewed with suspicion, and discriminated against.
> During the time Richard and Charlotte were having children, there was a
> minister called John Barker resident in Towcester, and it is obvious that
> people travelled a long way to services. Before the Towcester congregation
> started, Towcester people were members at Weston Baptist Chapel, which was
> miles away.
 

In the Northants Marriage index, I have:
>
> Richd WAIT of Woolverton Charlotte  SCOTT 1801 12-May Paulerspury
>
> The Baptist register does have several children for a John & Mary Scott of
> Paulerspury, and adherence to the Baptist cause had a tendency to run in
> families. Charlotte Scott's birth is recorded in the register:
> Charlot Scott d John & Mary Scott Paulerspury Northants Born Dec 21 1775
>
> Wolverton is over the county border in Buckinghamshire.
 

Richard Wait from Woolverton to Weston Baptist Chapel 11 miles 25 min today

If Baptist people from Towcester came to the Westin Baptist Chapel to attend church it is easy to see that Richard could meet Charlotte (born 1775) in in this situation.

As the Paulespury Baptist church in 1784 came into being it she would have been 9 years old and it would be natural for Richard to move/visit Paulerspury to be near her and for their marriage when she was 26 in 1801. He also may have been a minister in training.

When he came to the US as a minister it is not clear if she survived and came with him to Lorraine NY

Wolverton to Towcester was close 10 miles


the Record Office and checked the original PR for the marriege.

 The marriage entry was as follows:

Bans of Marriage between Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor
& Charlotte Scott of this Parish spinster were published 5th, 12th and
19th of April 1801

The said Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor & ye said
Charlotte Scott of this parish spinster were maried by Banns 12 May 1801
Richard Wait made his mark, Charlotte signed
Witnesses John Smith, Mary Waite, and another I couldn't read.

So no county, so highly likely that this is Wolverton, Bucks, not
Woolverton, Somerset.

Mary Taylor

Towcester Look-ups http://www.kellner.eclipse.co.uk/genuki/NTH/Towcester/
Towcester Families
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~towcesterfamilies

>
>
>> This is where it may be worth checking the original. In Potterspury,
>> Wolverton was local, and may have been dignified with "Bucks" after it,
>> or
>> possibly nothing at all.
>>
>> If it was Woolverton in Somerset, this would have been exotic, and the
>> fact that it was in Somerset clearly marked.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> Towcester Look-ups
>> http://www.kellner.eclipse.co.uk/genuki/NTH/Towcester/
>> Towcester Families
>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~towcesterfamilies
 

from Towchester. Wolverton is 10 miles - close
 

Woolverton to Towcester Paulerspury Baptist Church was 108 miles or 2 hr 24 min today


02/11/08 New contact from the UK ancestry

Dear Ralph
 
I have just visited your website. Fascinating reading as my g g grandmother was Rebecca Waitt, daughter of a yeoman farmer Thomas Waitt, and granddaughter of William Waitt,  whose family had land in Braunston in Northamptonshire, after moving from Cold Higham /Litchborough.
 
Probably a connection somewhere?
 

Yours, Anne Armstrong 
 


Search of Google Map and ancestry.com English census reveals 1861 facts:

Interesting information: since Braunston is 16 miles from Towcester Northamptonshire, England, and Litchborough is 7 miles to Towcester

1861 England Census
about William Waitt

Name: William Waitt
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sophia
Gender: Male
Where born: Bramston, Northamptonshire, England
   
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Bishop Ryder
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
   
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:
   
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Phillips 25
Edwin Waitt 14
Sophia Waitt 48
Thomas Waitt 12
William Waitt

Appears her facts are from an older period than the above.

02/11/08

Hello Ralph
 
My research so far dates back to William Waitt ( written as  Weight in church register) who was baptised in Cold Higham in 1706. His parents were William and Elizabeth, nee Pinckard, who married in Paulspury in 1704.
 
William's brothers included Robert, baptised in Litchborough in 1714, and Richard, baptised in  Litchborough in 1712. William moved to Braunston, where he ran quite a substantial farm.  Robert remained in Litchborough and was executor of William's will, proved in 1774.  
 
It would seem that Waitts (or Waites, Weights, etc) who lived in the Litchborough, Cold Higham, and Braunston areas were inter-connected.
 
 
Yours, Anne
 

 


As you may have read on my site, I am searching for a dna connection in England.
The waitegenealogy.org has been assisting me. As you can see below.
 
The I have submitted dna and found what may also have first link to Richard
>> Waite of Watertown Ma Wintrop Fleet around 1630.
>> The bottom line is we have dna identified a possible new link to a an
>> earlier Richard Waite who came to Watertown Ma on the Winfhrop Fleet
>> around 1630.
>> We have some very interesting results from the first part of my dna test.
>> A link to Zane Waite has been identified. Zane Waite GED lineage
>>
http://www.waitegenealogy.org/DNA/10892.pdf
>>
>> Zane Waite donated his DNA years ago but I've never heard from he or his
>> sister since. BUT...although we're still waiting for the second panel,
>> your results are really cool!!! It looks like you're going to be a match
>> to the Richard of Watertown line. Really cool! But...how did a descendant
>> of Richard of Watertown immigrate from England in the early 19th
>> century...hmmmm. Two explainations...your ancestor is a descendant of a
>> Richard of Watertown man who returned to England...and had a
>> family...who's "son" later returned to America...or...your line and that
>> of Richard of Watertown descend from a common ancestor  who would have to
>> be at least Richard's father...and possibly even earlier. Richard is said
>> to have come from Wethersfield, Essex, England. Does this make sense in
>> relation to the location in England from which your Richard immigrated?
>> Could your Richard have been born here and simply lived for a time in
>> England? Where do you think we should start in our search for the
>> connection? I'm really excited for you. This is the first time we've had
>> an English line match an American line. Looking forward to hearing from
>> you.             sue of waitegenealogy  
http://waitegenealogy.org/
>>
>> Now we are on to our search for more details on John and Sara Waite's
>> father Richard in England. The area of our Richard has many Waite
>> families
>> living close together in many towns.
>> This adds to the confusion of marriage around 1802 Richard and Charlotte
>> Waite.
>>

 

Thanks Ralph.
 
Let's keep in touch. I recently hired help from a professional researcher, who is gradually uncovering more about my branch (and the West family -my  g g g grandfather's sister, Hannah, married into the local gentry), so I will keep you posted.
 
Kind regards, Anne