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See below: New England connection with Ann Armstrong in Bristol, who has tracked Waitt in Braunston back to 1700's. |
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| Found DNA Match with Waitegenealogy.org and familytreedna.com - Zane Grey Waite dna link. Zane Waite GED lineage http://www.waitegenealogy.org/DNA/10892.pdf |
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| Mary Taylor from England aids in the search within Church Records for Richard Waite and Charlotte | |
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Marriage Richard Waite and Charlotte Scott 1801 in the Parish of Wolverton (or Woolverton)* England |
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| Bans of Marriage between Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor & Charlotte Scott of this Parish spinster were published 5th, 12th and 19th of April 1801. The said Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor & ye said Charlotte Scott of this parish spinster were maried by Banns 12 May 1801 Richard Wait made his mark, Charlotte signed Witnesses John Smith, Mary Waite, and another I couldn't read. highly likely that this is Wolverton, Bucks |
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Waitegenealogy.org and familytreedna.com - Zane Grey Waite dna link. Zane Waite GED lineage http://www.waitegenealogy.org/DNA/10892.pdf Hello Ralph, Towcester Look-ups
http://www.kellner.eclipse.co.uk/genuki/NTH/Towcester/ The search for Richard and Charlotte Waite Weston by Weedon Baptist Chapel was the mother church of Towcester Baptist You introduced new facts: information from Mary Taylor" <marytaylor@taylorbandm.plus.com> These are from the records of Towcester Baptist Church. Towcester Baptist In the Northants Marriage index, I have: Richard Wait from Woolverton to Weston Baptist Chapel 11 miles 25 min today
If Baptist people from Towcester came to the Westin Baptist Chapel to attend church it is easy to see that Richard could meet Charlotte (born 1775) in in this situation. As the Paulespury Baptist church in 1784 came into being it she would have been 9 years old and it would be natural for Richard to move/visit Paulerspury to be near her and for their marriage when she was 26 in 1801. He also may have been a minister in training. When he came to the US as a minister it is not clear if she survived and came with him to Lorraine NY Wolverton to Towcester was close 10 miles the Record Office and checked the original PR for the marriege. The marriage entry was as follows: from Towchester. Wolverton is 10 miles - close
Woolverton to Towcester Paulerspury Baptist Church was 108 miles or 2 hr 24 min today
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Waitegenealogy.org and familytreedna.com - Zane Grey Waite dna link.
Zane Waite GED lineage
http://www.waitegenealogy.org/DNA/10892.pdf
Mary Taylor from England aids in the search within Church Records for Richard Waite and Charlotte
Hello Ralph,
I did go to the Record Office and checked the original PR for the marriege
- and promptly came down with 'flu! From which I am still recovering.
The marriage entry was as follows:
Bans of Marriage between Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor
& Charlotte Scott of this Parish spinster were published 5th, 12th and
19th of April 1801
The said Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor & ye said
Charlotte Scott of this parish spinster were maried by Banns 12 May 1801
Richard Wait made his mark, Charlotte signed
Witnesses John Smith, Mary Waite, and another I couldn't read.
So no county, so highly likely that this is Wolverton, Bucks,
not
Woolverton, Somerset.
Mary Taylor in the UK
Towcester Look-ups
http://www.kellner.eclipse.co.uk/genuki/NTH/Towcester/
Towcester Families
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~towcesterfamilies
> Will we be able to learn more about this Richard Waite?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mary Taylor" <marytaylor@taylorbandm.plus.com>
> To: <ralphwaite@dexnow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Wolverton vs Woolverton
>
>
>> This is where it may be worth checking the original. In Potterspury,
>> Wolverton was local, and may have been dignified with "Bucks" after it,
>> or
>> possibly nothing at all.
>>
>> If it was Woolverton in Somerset, this would have been exotic, and the
>> fact that it was in Somerset clearly marked.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> Towcester Look-ups
>>
http://www.kellner.eclipse.co.uk/genuki/NTH/Towcester/
>> Towcester Families
>>
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~towcesterfamilies
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>>> The name makes a difference for Richard travel
>>> in My Google map search I see Woolverton is 108 miles from Towchester.
>>> Wolverton is 10 miles - close
>>>
The search for Richard and Charlotte Waite
who married in the Paulerspury Baptist Church in 1801.
Weston by Weedon Baptist Chapel was the mother church of Towcester Baptist
Chapel. The pastor at Weston used to preach in Towcester occasionally -
until he fell off his horse. Shortly after, the Baptists in Towcester
(about a dozen of them) decided to form their own church, and call their
own pastor.
Although there were Baptist Colleges at this date, they were very few, and
most Baptist pastors had no formal training.
One of Towcester's early pastors was called to the ministry in this way.
John Barker came from the Baptist Church at Walgrave in Northamptonshire.
From the Church Book of Walgrave Baptist Church:
1796 1 Dec At the Church Meeting this evening Br. Stephen Cox began in
prayer, sung a hymn, Br Timy Smith prayed, sung again and then in a humble
manner Br Stephen Barker spoke from Ps 90 v12. He took up two ideas and
made some pertinent remarks much to the satisfaction of all that heard
him. This was a pleasing and profitable session and we could not but bless
God for the appearance of acceptable gifts in one of our youngest members.
1796 29 Dec Br. John Barker and Br. Denton prayed. Br Stephen Barker spoke
from Habakkuk 2 v 3 - pertinent and much for edification.
1797 12 Jan Br. John Barker delivered some acceptable ideas from James 5 v
16. It was a pleasing and profitable season.
1797 Feb 16 Br John Barker delivered an acceptable sermon from Matt 22 v 42
1797 Mar 30 A letter was read from the church at Moulton asking leave of
us for our Brethern John and Stephen Barker to go and preach to them.
Leave was given.
1797 Apr 7 Our Brethern John and Stephen Barker delivered a short but
satisfactory account of their views of the Ministry; their leading motives
for their engaging them; their consciousness of inability and each
concluded with desiring the prayers of the Church for steadfastness in
their faith and practice and success in their work.
1797 Dec19 Our Br. Stephen Barker returned from Henley-in-Arden Warks
where he had spent one month by the invitation of that Church. In a
letter, they said they found him acceptable, and wished his return after
his brother John Barker had supplied them for four Sabbaths
1797 Dec28 Br. Stephen Barker was encouraged to accept the invitation from
Henley.
1798 Brother Barker set out for Henley on 16th January, after a service on
the 15th.
1798 The church prayed for Stephen Cox, as he was also entering the ministry.
1802 May 20 Our Brother Barker lately dismissed to the Church at Towcester
was ordained to the pastoral office over them. The congregation upon the
occassion was very large and much seriousness and attention was
discovered. A. Payne [Pastor at Walgrave, and Elizabeth's father] was 1797
Dec19 Our Br. Stephen Barker returned from Henley-in-Arden Warks where he
had spent one month by the invitation of that Church. In a letter, they
said they found him acceptable, and wished his return after his brother
John Barker had supplied them for four Sabbaths
1797 Dec28 Br. Stephen Barker was encouraged to accept the invitation from
Henley.
1798 Brother Barker set out for Henley on 16th January, after a service on
the 15th.
1798 The church prayed for Stephen Cox, as he was also entering the ministry.
1802 May 20 Our Brother Barker lately dismissed to the Church at Towcester
was ordained to the pastoral office over them. The congregation upon the
occassion was very large and much seriousness and attention was
discovered.
I should mention that what these days is called "induction" into a church
was at this date called "ordination". They were ordained to the ministry in
a particular church, not to "the ministry" as a whole. John Barker stayed
at Towcester until his death. Another early member of Towcester Baptist
Church, Richard Lowe, also became a minister via this route.
So, no formal training, but rather a sense of calling backed up by a
testing of relevant gifts for the ministry. William Carey from
Paulerspury, who was the first missionary to India, also had no formal
training, but taught himself Latin, Greek and Hebrew with whatever local
help he could find. Freedom of worship was only granted in England in
1689, so we are talking about a time of only 100 years since being a
Baptist was actually illegal.
Woolverton will be Wolverton - spelling was not their strong point! No
compulsory education results in some weird and wonderful spellings.
Towcester itself (pronounced "Toaster") is also spelt Toster, Towster,
Tocester, Tossiter and many more ways.
The nearest chapel to Wolverton would be Stony Stratford Baptist Church.
This was started before the 1689 Act of Toleration, so the members
occasionally had to escape from the chapel before it was raided! However,
there is no guarantee that Richard was a Baptist much before he was
married. He may alternatively have been Church of England or even
Independent. All I can say with some certainty is that his birth is not
recorded either at Towcester (any church) or at Potterspury Independent
Church. The early Stony Stratford Baptist registers do not appear to have
survived. He may well have been baptised in an Anglican church, however.
And Richard may only have been working in Wolverton, rather than having
started life there. It would be helpful if you could try to locate his
death / burial in Lorraine (?possibly) and ascertain an approximate age
for him. Without that, extensive work to make sure all possible Richards
are found, and eliminated may be necessary - there seem to be all too many
of them round here.
I am very much aware that you are not only trying to research in a foreign
country, but across 200 years and in a totally different church culture
(at that date, it is pretty foreign to us to!). So while I am trying to
explain as simply as I can, it may not be simple enough. So come back if
there's anything you don't understand.
Mary
You introduced new facts:
> Woolverton (assume not wolverton) Buckinghamshire.as a living place for
> Richard Wait
> Weston for a Baptist chapel - but relationship not defined
> Scott name for Charlotte Born Dec 21 1775
> John and Mary Scott as her parents
> Richard and Charlotte marriage date 1801 12-May Paulerspury
> Paulerspury Baptist church began 1784.
>
> The attached obit in 1892 of his son John Waite indicates his father was a
> Baptist minister.
> The open question is what was the way for Richard from Woolverton to become
> a minister within this UK background.
> How can we get more records for Richard, birth and more.
information from Mary Taylor" <marytaylor@taylorbandm.plus.com>
These are from the records of Towcester Baptist Church. Towcester Baptist
> Church was only started in 1784, and being a Baptist was no easy thing at
> that date. They were viewed with suspicion, and discriminated against.
> During the time Richard and Charlotte were having children, there was a
> minister called John Barker resident in Towcester, and it is obvious that
> people travelled a long way to services. Before the Towcester congregation
> started, Towcester people were members at Weston Baptist Chapel, which was
> miles away.
In the Northants Marriage index, I have:
>
> Richd WAIT of Woolverton
Charlotte SCOTT 1801 12-May
Paulerspury
>
> The Baptist register does have several children for a John & Mary Scott of
> Paulerspury, and adherence to the Baptist cause
had a tendency to run in
> families. Charlotte Scott's birth is recorded in the register:
> Charlot Scott d John & Mary Scott
Paulerspury Northants
Born Dec 21 1775
>
> Wolverton is over the county border in
Buckinghamshire.
Richard Wait from Woolverton to Weston Baptist Chapel 11 miles 25 min today

If Baptist people from Towcester came to the Westin Baptist Chapel to attend church it is easy to see that Richard could meet Charlotte (born 1775) in in this situation.
As the Paulespury Baptist church in 1784 came into being it she would have been 9 years old and it would be natural for Richard to move/visit Paulerspury to be near her and for their marriage when she was 26 in 1801. He also may have been a minister in training.
When he came to the US as a minister it is not clear if she survived and came with him to Lorraine NY
Wolverton to Towcester was close 10 miles
the Record Office and checked the original PR for the marriege.
The marriage entry was as follows:
Bans of Marriage between Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor
& Charlotte Scott of this Parish spinster were published 5th, 12th and
19th of April 1801
The said Richard Wait of ye Parish of Woolverton Bachelor & ye said
Charlotte Scott of this parish spinster were maried by Banns 12 May 1801
Richard Wait made his mark, Charlotte signed
Witnesses John Smith, Mary Waite, and another I couldn't read.
So no county, so highly likely that this is Wolverton, Bucks, not
Woolverton, Somerset.
Mary Taylor
Towcester Look-ups
http://www.kellner.eclipse.co.uk/genuki/NTH/Towcester/
Towcester Families
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~towcesterfamilies
>
>
>> This is where it may be worth checking the original. In Potterspury,
>> Wolverton was local, and may have been dignified with "Bucks" after it,
>> or
>> possibly nothing at all.
>>
>> If it was Woolverton in Somerset, this would have been exotic, and the
>> fact that it was in Somerset clearly marked.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> Towcester Look-ups
>>
http://www.kellner.eclipse.co.uk/genuki/NTH/Towcester/
>> Towcester Families
>>
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~towcesterfamilies
from Towchester. Wolverton is 10 miles - close

Woolverton to Towcester Paulerspury Baptist Church was 108 miles or 2 hr 24 min today

02/11/08 New contact from the UK ancestry
Dear Ralph
I have just visited your website. Fascinating reading as my g g grandmother was
Rebecca Waitt, daughter of a yeoman farmer Thomas Waitt, and
granddaughter of William Waitt, whose family had land in Braunston in
Northamptonshire, after moving from Cold Higham /Litchborough.
Probably a connection somewhere?
Yours, Anne Armstrong
Search of Google Map and ancestry.com English census reveals 1861 facts:
Interesting information: since Braunston is 16 miles from Towcester Northamptonshire, England, and Litchborough is 7 miles to Towcester

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Appears her facts are from an older period than the above.
02/11/08
Hello Ralph
My research so far dates back to William Waitt
( written as Weight in church register) who was
baptised in Cold Higham in 1706. His parents were
William and Elizabeth, nee Pinckard, who married in
Paulspury in 1704.
William's brothers included Robert, baptised in
Litchborough in 1714, and Richard, baptised in Litchborough
in 1712. William moved to Braunston, where he
ran quite a substantial farm. Robert remained in
Litchborough and was executor of William's will,
proved in 1774.
It would seem that Waitts (or Waites, Weights, etc)
who lived in the Litchborough, Cold Higham, and
Braunston areas were inter-connected.
Yours, Anne
Thanks Ralph.
Let's keep in touch. I recently hired help from a professional researcher, who
is gradually uncovering more about my branch (and the West family -my g g g
grandfather's sister, Hannah, married into the local gentry), so I will keep you
posted.
Kind regards, Anne